and you know, that is why he fought so hard for healthcare for all. because of his personal experience with his sister rosemary with me as a cancer survivor with all of the issues that we faced in our family. you know, led him to form his political philosophy about families and to him, it was personal. just like it is for president obama. you know, when president obama talks about having -- you know, student loans hanging over -- you know, every american family's head, he knows what they're talking about. >> bill: sure, he's been there. >> he's been there. and when he talks and he and michelle talked about her father and his m. s. and wondering how their family was going to pay for the medication and treatments and worried about what might happen if michelle's father ever lost his job these are the normal concerns of every single american. and bill, i'm calling you i think you probably know this, i'm out in columbus, ohio today. >> bill: yes. >> the president asked me to represent him in the obama/biden campaign at an historic forum. the forum is the